ya, it’s funny.. lots of people at work are like “oh, we need to rewrite this because it’s all objective c”.. I need to figure out a way to educate them that it isn’t that bad, just different.

Weird. I still love Objective-C. It’s one of the most fun languages to use.

I was totally into Swift when it first came out, version 1 through to 3. It was fun, felt light, with some type safety and reminded me a little bit of C# so that was good in my book. Then they lost me. Just too complicated to get in to now, especially if you don’t work with it every day.

As an aside, I learned Objective-C first, and it was great for my first app more than 10 years ago now!

@vincent Swift has long abandoned what made Obj-C nice and dynamic. I really wish Apple had actually done “Obj-C without the C” as they originally intended. Oh well, some people love it and that’s cool for them.

they could have. It’s called Smalltalk 😉

Oh wow, interesting! I thought most ObjC diehards eventually gave in and switched to Swift over the years 😉

What is it that you like about it more than Swift (other than compile speed)?

I still like to pretend Apple just kept making objective-c better and didn’t release swift.

There are so many abandoned technologies by Apple that have simple fixes.

If you see how simple and modular my UIKit code is with a few helper methods: two lines to add and constrain a child VC….but the vanilla API forces you to write 10 lines of gibberdygook NSLayoutConstraint and didMoveToParent

They never should have released Swift with the generics they had back then. It’s horrible. Microsoft did the right thing with C# 2. Their generics have been fantastic after that.

They never should have released Swift with the generics they had back then. It’s horrible. Microsoft did the right thing with C# 2. Their generics have been fantastic after that.

???

I’ve been writing Objective-C since before ARC was a thing. I’ve never had to use gibberdygook with NSLayoutContstraints. All you need to do is add all views to the view hierarchy and set the hidden property to true on the ones you need to hide for the current state.

Yes, even compile times of pure Objective-C have gone down a lot.

github.com/LucasVanDong…

This is what I mean.

The vanilla API’s for adding a. VC and layouts are super verbose for nothing. And don’t get me started on translatesAutoResizinMaskConstraints….

If I was the CTO of Apple for 1 year all we would do is improve swift compile times, compiler error messages, and dev tools.

That would be easy. You can cut 80% of compile times by just having SPM packages compile on the moment they’re added to the project.

We should team up for that job and bring Apple beyond the previous heights.

Oh right. Yes, I solved that by putting most of these things in Xcode Code Snippets. Plus I use Storyboards and Nibs most of the time. Only if there’s a clear benefit to do it in code, then I will.

Amazing library by the way.

Congratulations, you’re hired!